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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Seadweller View Post
    Funny you mention this, as it is my only source...This was on my list of suspects, but quite frankly, I never tried another source, because every time I inquired, folks said that it would not be possible for the CD player, being digital, to impart its own sound...
    Oh boy, CD players sound nasty when there is a problem in the output stage.
    Or they quit all together. It could have nothing to do with the digital end of it.
    I hate to sound 101ish on a Pro board but all equipment involved with such a project
    should be proven and trusted ahead of time. Sorry...................







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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    I don't have the off-axis response curves here. That said, these weren't designed to be listened to very far off-axis, either.

    Thanks for the reminder of the earlier discussion - my recollector isn't always what it used to be...

    That said, I do recall, now that I think about it, and re-reading the posts, there were some problems with room acoustics, which most folks acknowledged. There were also some problems with one of the recordings, but, if memory serves, I later found that to be in the recording, no matter what speakers I played through (even my Model 19's, Model 6's, and others I have at home).

    Room acoustics at the Tulsa show were, indeed, a problem - hard surfaces, lots of reflections, etc., not suited for listening. Not even well suited as a living room, IMO...

    Also, I do agree - I think there may be some who are, as you mention, hyper-sensitive listeners. For example, for many years when stores were using those ultra-sonic burglar alarms, I had to have them turn them off, or I couldn't go into the store - it killed my ears....just killed them. The people in the stores said they couldn't hear it, but admitted that a few of their customers did complain...

    So, there are some for which nothing, other than a Shure VocalMaster Sound Column would sound good (terribly limited bandwidth)...as long as their amplifier had the special "Tone" knob like the VM amp did...

    Given all that's been said, I still believe that if he will go back and do what I said in my most recent post, he would find a different result. It would be impossible for the 604 - in all it's variants - to be such a widely acclaimed speaker for so many years if there wasn't a good bit of "good" performance possible with them...
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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Art J. View Post
    I hate to sound 101ish on a Pro board but all equipment involved with such a project
    should be proven and trusted ahead of time. Sorry...................
    No apology necessary! The CD player worked/sounded pefectly fine with my prior pair of speakers, so I never gave it a second thought...We'll find out in short order if it was the weak link however...

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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd W. White View Post
    ...and they made Altec use the DH-1A HF driver magnet, if memory serves, for the 604 and the 515...

    The result in the 604-8K was the midband got too much energy.
    So... (any takers) ...would an impedance sweep (a la my 'woofer tester 3') reveal them to be one vs the other? ...and I'd be checking the HF, right?

    Perhaps the obvious answer would be: 'only if you have the verified 604-8k-(insert geographic subtype here) results to compare it to'. ?

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    Re: Raising the White Flag on 604 Project

    Maybe not - it could be the LF cone is part of the equation, too. Remember - the crossover is around 1,600 Hz, so the cone is involved up into the midband, even though the horn starts kicking in quite a bit below that...
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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Seadweller View Post
    No apology necessary! The CD player worked/sounded pefectly fine with my prior pair of speakers, so I never gave it a second thought...We'll find out in short order if it was the weak link however...
    I like finding CD players at Pawn Shops. They don't sell well in a world of i-pods
    and i-phones. They go cheap. I buy the types that have a headphone jack and a
    digital output so I can reference them to an external DAC and headphones. You
    can score a top model if your lucky.





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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    One of the most famous recording studio on the East Coast uses Big red in the main control room of studio A. And in the recording studio. AVATAR STUDIOS

    The CTV Olympic song was recorded there.

    NIKKI YANOFSKY

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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    Avatar is using GPA-made 604-8H-II's:

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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    The Big Reds are in the control room of their main recording room. There are numerous studios that still have them but like in most studios these days they are rarely if ever used, Genelec's and other small powered monitors rule the day. A sore spot for me.

    Dave
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    Re: Raising the While Flag on 604 Project

    Last resort?

    Hyperacusis/Recruitment

    Marshall.

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